I was waiting for my pizza and struck up a conversation with another person who was waiting too, I asked if he caught the presidential debate. He said he did but he fell asleep because they're both lying. I said romney was a lot more dishonest and he insisted they're two sides of the same coin. To which I asked him what lies obama had told - I was honestly curious and would honestly want to know if the president was being deliberately deceitful. He had no answer and just said obama's doing a bad job. On a side note I asked someone on xanga accusing obama of lying during the debates what specific things he'd said that weren't true the other day and got a similar (but more hostile) response.
So anyway, he said obama is turning america into a welfare state. I asked him how is obama doing that. He said "how many people do you know who are receiving some kind of assistance?" I said "and obama did that?" I then said that I didn't think welfare programs were contagious and were like the blob and were just gobbling up the country because that's what they do - I said that those programs are based on income level and that if more people are on assistance x year than were the year before because more people are poor x year, and pointed out that poverty was on the rise before the recession due in part to things like not raising the minimum wage for a decade during the bush administration so the poorest americans' income drops by 25% which makes more people need welfare to survive.
His reply was "you can't just blame bush". I said I wasn't, just the general policy of tilting the table away from the poor. I then talked about wage inequality and how the average CEO a few decades ago made 100 times what their average employee made and the bottom 50% of the country controlled 3% of the wealth, and a few decades later (a few decades of reaganomics, but I didn't say that) it had changed to the average CEO making 300 times what their average worker made and the bottom 50% of the country controlling 1 percent of the wealth. Then he just said "great system we have". I forget what was said next but I think he said something else about making us a "welfare state" (which other countries actually wear as a badge of honor because to them it means their people just have their needs met by their government) - at this point my pizza was ready so I said as I was leaving "I don't think homelessness is caused by soup kitchens."
I thought that was a good note to end on, so I'll do it again here : )