Wednesday, 12 September 2012
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The Only Two Questions Christians Need Ask On Election Day.
I just said this to a christian personage and thought it worth passing on:
"Just do me a favor and this year when you go to vote ask yourself "how many mansions would jesus own?" And "how many of his 28 million dollars in annual investment profits would jesus give to charity?" If the answer is 6 to the first and 3 to the second, vote romney."
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i don't vote based on someone's religion but i would think those who do who are Christians would vote for Obama. he's a Christian. Romney's a Mormon. still i don't think that is a criteria on which to base one's vote.
this reminds me of a killer line delivered by Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm at the democratic convention:
"He loves our cars so much, they have their own elevator. But the people who design, build, and sell those cars? Well, in Romney's world, the cars get the elevator; the workers get the shaft," a clear reference to Romney having said "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and also the liquidation of companies when Romney headed Bain.
Christians are under a lot of pressure these days to think a certain way about this or that, but none of that pressure is to think critically. I consider a vote for Romney proof of one of two things, lack of information, or mass hysteria. The mass hysteria isn't based on anything that lasts more than a few hours, so the propaganda machine better have gas to last the next several months for Romney's sake. He sure doesn't have much to offer beyond lies.
Rommey as I wrote in a whole blog believes in Mormon Tithes. 10% and since he is a major Bishop in the Mormon Church I doubt if he would have cheated the Latter day saints.
I have looked into some of the fundamentalists/ teaparty folks and they have no qualms with being rich. The thing is that Bain money is dirty money off the backs of some good companies that they were able to leverage and cheat. I wonder if they felt guilty and returned some of their ill gotten gains to workers who were laid off or pensions robbed?
How about everyone ask themselves, "who is least likely to have the unemployment rate under 8% over the next four years?"
I would be more interested in knowing which would work to offset the trade deficit, maintain national security, promote research and developement of new and beneficial technologies, particularly in agriculture and medicine, which surrounds themselves with successful upwards thinking individuals, who are likely to advance our nation, its ideals and provide for its future economic and political security.
I could give two shits how many mansions either candidate owns. Wealth is a sign of a sucessful mindset. Poverty, a symptom of hoplessness.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Scratched record douchebag. Got anything else?
Besides, isn't unemployment the fault of the people, the lazy bastards? Ye contradict yourself, as usual. LOL!
@In_Reason_I_Trust - Sometimes you need to play the same record over and over again until the problem has been fixed. It has been four years you know. . .
@TheSutraDude - Your first statement is false. Both candidates are Christians. Just because Mormons have an extra book doesn't mean that they don't follow Jesus or believe he isn't the savior. They are just as much Christian as the rest of the denominations.
@LydJaGillers - i stand corrected.
@In_Reason_I_Trust - @TheTheologiansCafe - the Wall Street Journal published an article a couple days ago in which the analyst explained if republicans had not kept Obama's jobs and infrastructure proposal from coming to a vote unemployment would be at 7.1 percent since April. Paul Ryan helped to keep the proposal from coming to a vote.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/unemployment-rate-government-austerity_n_1499868.html
@TheTheologiansCafe - [Sometimes
you need to play the same record over and over again until the problem
has been fixed. It has been four years you know. . .]
It's been 3-1/2, as opposed to the eight years before that (which Republicans now wish to completely forget). I know someone who left a messy divorce with tens of thousands of dollars of financial debt, and has spent far longer than 3-1/2 years of their life trying their hardest just to keep their head above water. You inherit a garbage dump, don't expect a pristine park right away. Especially when there are people fighting tooth and nail to keep the conditions which created the dump in place.
Basically what I'm saying is, would Bush tax policy on steroids do anything more than what plunged us into this recession in the first place?
Actually, the only question I think Christians need ask themselves on Election Day is who supports indefinite detention of American citizens without trial or evidence?
Vote for a third party.
@firetyger - While i would say it's not the only question, very well put. Everyone is forgetting freedom amidst all the talk money.
@jaydedheart - LGBT freedoms, too. One of the two candidates seem content consigning gays and lesbians to second-class citizen status through denial of same-sex marriage.
One of the two major parties make it a policy to restrict the woman's right to choose.
Within some states, one of the two major parties have undergone systematic campaigns of voter suppression.
If the set of some of our country's most important and fundamental rights make up your voting issue, then you should be voting for Barak Obama.
The only question anyone needs to ask is, "Do we want for more years of what we've already gone through?"
The worst economy since the Great Depression. Being fast-tracked to economic collapse. Going from $10 trillion in national debt in 235 years to $16 trillion during the Obama Regime. The Fed financing government borrowing by monetizing the national debt (QE1, 2 and now 3).Governments monetize debt when their economies are approaching collapse. They are lying by calling it economic stimulus.
Do we want 4 more years of lies?
We ran the some numbers ourselves using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics. We should note up front that there are a number of ways to slice the data, and the numbers change a bit depending on the parameters of your search. For example, do you look at all nonfarm workers (which includes government workers) or only private workers? We ran the numbers a few different ways, and while the numbers changed slightly, the ranking did not: Massachusetts was 47th out of 50 in the percentage of job growth.
If you look at all nonfarm workers, for example, Massachusetts went from 3,158,800 jobs to 3,198,500, an increase of 1.3 percent. Only Ohio, Michigan and Louisiana were worse. The national average was 5.3 percent.
At our request, the taxpayer-backed Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, which does nonpartisan analysis of the state's financial and economic statistics, ran some numbers as well. They looked at figures from December 2002 (right before Romney took office) to December 2006, so the percentages were slightly different than ours, but they came to the same ranking for Massachusetts.
"Jobs grew, but they grew at an anemic rate compared to the rest of the country," said Michael Widmer, president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation.
The country was coming out of a recession when Romney took office. And it's likely, Widmer said, that Massachusetts emerged more slowly from that recession because its pre-recession numbers were disproportionally inflated by the technology bubble. A lot of those tech jobs never came back.
Widmer warned not to put to much stock in any governors' influence over their states' rate of job growth, or decline. The ability for governors to manage the state economy is vastly overrated, he said. States are tied to larger economic forces, he said, and governors often claim too much credit when things are going well and no blame when things are going poorly.
But when you have Romney running for president as a business person who says he created jobs for the private sector when he was governor, "In that context, the numbers from the DNC are relevant," Widmer said. "They are a relevant and accurate rebuttal"
PolitiFact
The larger point here is that Romney’s business background was about creating wealth — regardless of the impact it had on American jobs — and that in so doing, his company invested in firms that outsourced and ultimately moved jobs overseas, even as Romney remained listed as CEO and sole shareholder
PolitiFact
I will be voting for President Obama because after two terms under President Bush and in 2007, which was BEFORE President Obama took office, our country went into the greatest "recession" since the great depression in the 1930s. I agree with the statement that you can't turn a garbage dump that took 8 years in the making into a pristine park in 4 years, particularly when you have a congress voting against every attempt to turn the situation around.
Apparently Dan likes his politicians like he likes his women, Dumb with big deficits.
ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY BUT WHAT...
Okay if that was one of the questions I messed it up.
@brown_buffalo - Dan voted for Obama in 2008.
@TheSutraDude - Pithy. Normally I would prefer substance over that sort of wordplay, but in this case it's pretty accurate. And I was going to point out that mormons are a subset of christians but someone else already did.
@brown_buffalo - True. I just got a flier in the mail (I live in a swing state) which attacked obama because the stimulus used a hundred odd thousand dollars to see how coked up monkeys would "respond", what a horrible waste! Turns out it was actually to see how their *brains* would respond to try to develop treatments for addiction. The other claim was that the stimulus didn't do anything which is just retarded (has a picture of burning money). Like you say, all they have is lies (and fluff). They played a 5 minute video about bush jr and senior at the convention apparently (the only mention of the previous two republican administrations) and it was about their dog and how it felt to see his son in the white house and just nonsensical fluff. Nothing about policy whatsoever. Everything at the DNC was about policy and their track record.
@PPhilip - Half of the 3 million was to the mormon church - and he probably considers his 15% in taxes "tithes". I didn't know he was a bishop, how am I just hearing about this?
@TheTheologiansCafe - Not the guy who believes in ramping up "trickle down" economics. You know more jobs were created in one year under obama than the previous 8 years of the bush administration put together, right?
@Aloysius_son - No president surrounds themselves with hopeless, unsuccessful people. And there is more than one way to be successful, having a conscience or integrity usually doesn't make you any money. And again, I'm not criticizing success, only how he became "successful" (by destroying other peoples' lives) and what he does with his success (is self-indulgent). Are you christian? Because if you are then you are in name only because you just blew off half of what jesus preached.
@In_Reason_I_Trust - The one time he said something somewhat reasonable. Though the second part of your comment was a brilliant rebuttal to his previous comments.
@TheTheologiansCafe - I notice you completely ignore him calling you out on your hypocrisy. When unemployment and poverty are high it's poor peoples' fault, until it comes time to vote republican then it's obama's fault.
@LydJaGillers - True dat.
@firetyger - For the record obama ordered guantanamo bay shut down 2 days after taking office and congress passed laws stopping him. Blame them.
@jaydedheart - See the above. And again, I was appealing to christian values which nobody seems to give a flying fuck about (no big shock there).
@Celestial_Teapot - True.
@The_Final_Acts - I don't know why you posted this but you seem to be replying to @GodlessLiberal, not me.
@brown_buffalo - ...okay.
@Celestial_Teapot - So he says.
S'funny. I thought the government of the United Stated was a secular institution and I should base my vote based on who would be the most competent to do the job. But obviously I was wrong. We are a Christian nation and I ought to vote for the one who most closely shares my religious beliefs, which would be Barack Obama.
I apologize for not responding correctly to your post. I guess as a Christian, I've truly been struggling with the elections this year. I've read so many posts and comments from other Christians about wealth and amassing wealth. I've even read the scripture being twisted in such a way as to say the "poor" are coveting wealthy Christian's wealth and taxes are the equivalent of somehow stealing from the wealthy Christian and this goes against the 10 commandments. It truly boggles the mind. The answer to your question, for me, is 0 mansions and he would not be a wealthy man, he lived off the charity of others. I saw a news story once about an 8 or 9 year old boy who saw homeless people on the news. He gathered up all the blankets in his house and asked his parents to take him to where the homeless people were so he could give them blankets. That is Christianity. I think it is time now to get rid of all the tax exemptions for the churches. There doesn't seem to be a true separation of church and state. If laws are going to be made such as bans on same sex marriages and bans on abortion, which are all based on religious beliefs, the churches need to start paying taxes. Thank you for allowing me to express myself on your post.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Har har.
@randomneuralfirings - The government is not allowed to promote or restrict a religious belief, voters can support a candidate based on any criteria they wish. Apples and oranges. And I think having a conscience and not believing in unenlightened self-interest would make someone more qualified to be a public servant.