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Sunday, July 08, 2012

New Science Supports The Adam And Eve Account.

 
Well, unless you're a fundamentalist that is.  A literal interpretation of the garden of eden story isn't supported by science, but if you take it loosely or as an allegory the main thrust of it actually is remarkably close to the truth of our origins. 

Basically it goes like this - our distant ancestors originally walked on all fours like other primates.  One of the evolutionary advancements that made civilization possible was the adaptation to walking on two legs.  This may not seem like much, but it is.  It freed up our hands to allow us to do things like build and use tools.



To this day this is our greatest advantage as a species - the ability to use technology to adapt our surroundings to ourselves.  Rather than having to undergo tens or hundreds of millions of years of natural selection to swim under water we can just devise a breathing apparatus.  This gives us the strengths of every species combined and then some, and has served us incredibly well.  It is an evolutionary silver bullet if you will, and it has made us essentially omnipotent (powerful in every way and every direction), at least relative to our evolutionary cousins.  But this omnipotence came with a price, one all our mothers paid to bring us into the world. 



Walking on two legs requires narrow hips, which means a smaller birth canal and a more than usually painful childbirth.  Childbirth is painful for many species, not just humans, but humans have perhaps the most agonizing childbirth in the animal kingdom, made worse by the fact that our brains (and therefore infant heads) kept getting bigger as our species became ever more intelligent.  Because standing upright was so incredibly advantageous to us as a species, it apparently outweighed the increased risk of death, injury and infection in childbirth.  But if our brains were to get as large as they would eventually become childbirth would become literally impossible.  So natural selection favored an alternate solution. 

The organ that takes the longest to develop in any species is the brain.  In fact if you make a chart of how long a species stays in the womb before being born and compare it with their brain volume, there's a direct correlation.  A bigger brain means a longer gestation period in the womb.  Humans have the biggest brain in the animal kingdom and we ought to have the longest gestation period - but we don't.  Human pregnancy should take about twice as long as the longest pregnancy in the animal kingdom, but it doesn't.  Why?  The reason is that if we stayed in the womb until we're ready to be born our skulls simply wouldn't fit through the birth canal.  So all humans are born around a year before we're done cooking.  This is why our skulls aren't even hard or even done growing around our brains, and why we can't walk for a full year after we're born, unlike basically any other species of animal that can walk within hours of being born.  Because we're basically fetuses outside the womb.  The downside of a painful, dangerous, extremely premature birth was outweighed by self-awareness, intelligence, curiosity, creativity and our other mental gifts that our expanding minds allowed for.



So where does this leave the garden of eden story?  It is mythical to be sure, our painful child births were not a punishment for anything our ancestors did.  But in a deeper, more profound sense it is actually accurate.  The danger and pain of childbirth isn't the wrath of a god or a punishment for becoming god-like and understanding right from wrong - but it was the literal price we paid for it as a species.  And if you strip away all the literal garb of the story it really is accurate. 

And we didn't gain wisdom as a result of eating from an enchanted tree, but if you again strip away the literal meaning it is actually not far from the truth.  A part of that evolutionary leap may have been made possible by a significant change in diet.  Switching to a partly meat diet and cooking meat to make it softer may have allowed our mouths to get smaller and our jaw muscles to become smaller and more efficient, which is good since those muscles are anchored to the sides of our skulls and apparently pull on our developing skulls causing them to close early in their development.  Once our jaws were carrying a lighter load our brains had more room to grow and expand.  So no, there was no magic apple.  But a change in diet did allow us to gain the wisdom of the gods, and it did directly incur the price of that wisdom.

Heady stuff.

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That is a very interesting take.

Posted 7/8/2012 11:26 AM by The_ATM - recommend - reply

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"The danger and pain of childbirth isn't the wrath of a god or a
punishment for becoming god-like and understanding right from wrong -
but it was the literal price we paid for it as a species."

if i would ever say that to a girl, or my wife, i think the respond would be like, "as a species?  are you serious?  when did you ever pay this price?  oh i forget, you come from a different species, a less sensitive species for sure!"

(by the way, how does science found all the "storyline" here?  or it's more of the case that such a "storyline" fits whatever science "knows" thus far?)

Posted 7/8/2012 11:55 AM by maniacsicko Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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yes. free hands gave us the strength of ten grinches...plus two. also: access to the devil's playground.

Posted 7/8/2012 11:58 AM by complicatedlight Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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I agree. Interesting take on it
Posted 7/8/2012 12:22 PM by YouToMe - recommend - reply

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@The_ATM - Thanks, I agree : )

@maniacsicko - I think losing mothers, sisters and daughters in childbirth is a price.  And it's what we've uncovered so far.  From the fossil record we know that our hips narrowed and our brains got bigger for instance.

@complicatedlight - Heh : P

@YouToMe - I thought so.

Posted 7/8/2012 12:40 PM by agnophilo Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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I like your theory much more than I did Darwin's.

Posted 7/8/2012 12:45 PM by mommachatter - recommend - reply

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You left one very important factor regarding we as a species having the ability to walk upright. When that became possible, we became the only species that suffers from lower back pains. Those trhat walk on fours have no clue in regards to this defect

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@mommachatter - They're basically the same thing.  What didn't you like about darwin's that you do like about this blog?

@catstemplar2 - True dat.  And our smaller, more efficient jaws are often too small for all of our teeth, other species don't get impacted wisdom teeth.

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I love stuff like this!

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@Roo_Crew2015 - As do I : )

Posted 7/8/2012 12:59 PM by agnophilo Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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Well done!
You'll piss people of, of course...but still food for thought!

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@galadrial - If I don't piss at least one person off I can't be saying anything too worthwhile : )

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I am not a 'brain'. Yours is so concise and simple and does not leave out the role that God might have played. You see I don't think that science and theology are contrary to one another. Just because we might have slipped out of a swamp of slime doesn't mean that wasn't the way God planned it. Look at the fetus....it has a tail.  Look at magnified sperm, can you see the resemblance to a tadpole?  I too agree that many of the 'stories' in the Bible are told in allegory,  even the deciples of Christ pointed to the fact He taught in parables.

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It is always good when I see an atheist finding the truth in scripture. I'm with you though. These aren't meant to be literal, and they are even more beautiful when understood allegorically. 

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@mommachatter - When science and theology are at odds, it's usually due to bad theology.  Not because scientists don't make mistakes, but because they don't, as a matter of principle, claim things without evidence.  So science never comes down on the side of there is a god or there isn't a god, because it can't be tested or verified.  As for darwin, this was the closing line of his book On The Origin Of Species:

“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having
been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst
this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity,
from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most
wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

Darwin assumed there was a creator.  That he was an atheist or hostile to belief in a creator is a popular fiction.  As is his supposed deathbed conversion to christianity.  He was a deist.  He believed that there was a god of some kind, but didn't claim to know anything about it and didn't believe it communicated with humans or intervened in human affairs.

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@jmallory - I don't like to claim to know how they were meant to be taken.  To me it's like a song.  If I get a different meaning out of it then what was intended, if what I think it means is beautiful it's still beautiful.  Many artists as a matter of principle refuse to explicitly state the meaning of their art because it diminishes it, it prevents different people from getting different things.  A principle of eastern religion/philosophy is the same, that it is non-dogmatic and is meant to inspire thought and wisdom rather than hand you a single literal meaning. 

The word esoteric refers to that which is so subtle that it can be learned but cannot be taught.  Much of eastern philosophy is esoteric, and much of the meaning we can get from the bible is esoteric as well - but whether any particular interpretation, however meaningful we find it, was the intended interpretation or not is impossible to know.  But it doesn't matter.

To me spirituality is about reaching an open state where it's possible to expand your horizons, and subtle wisdom has a way of opening your mind, making you very open and receptive and desperate to understand, and that state of mind is a very positive thing to achieve.  The traditional form of christianity is about as subtle or nuanced as a sledgehammer and tends to have the opposite effect of narrowing/closing minds. 

It's like the movie donnie darko.  I think the movie is brilliant because it isn't clear what even happens in the end, so an hour after the movie is over you're still talking and debating over what this meant and what that was etc.  Then they came out with the "director's cut" and destroyed the movie, trying to hand a particular, lame interpretation to the audience.  They even stopped the movie and put text on the screen explaining what was happening, it was so horrible.  That is to a wonderful movie what dogma is to a religion.  It just guts it entirely of everything meaningful.

Sorry to rant.  I wrote another blog, lol.

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... Childbirth scares the moose out of me.

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I hope this doesn't come off as Brown Nosing, but you really do write extraordinarily well. Not to be a snob, but I tend to avoid the "And I had a muffin for breakfast": blogs...and of course those written by people with a sketchy concept of grammar.  Your blog is a guilty pleasure for me...nine times of ten, we agree. But you are blindingly articulate, and thoughtful in your posts. I enjoy that.

(This for instance was TOUGH ...but you nailed it beautifully. 10.0!)

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I want to get neutered.

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I heard that Adam and Eve creation was allegory for polarization of consciousness. 

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hey agnophilo, I noticed you post quite a few topics on anthropology...a big thumbs up. 

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Interesting, but pretty disproportionate burden on women. It must mean we are superior. ;)


I think that's a really interesting perspective, and maybe it suggests that whoever wrote the story of Adam and Eve had more insights into what happened than we realized. Very cool post.
Posted 7/8/2012 4:10 PM by EmilyandAtticus - recommend - reply

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@agnophilo - I'm behind you, 100% of the way. 

Posted 7/8/2012 4:24 PM by jmallory Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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 Because we're basically fetuses outside the womb. 

So it should be ok to kill these fetuses outside the womb if someone doesn't want them.
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You do realize that christians think you're ignorant.
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